You know what? I've been thinking back and forth about doing this post or not, but then... I just thought what the hell, and here we are.
I am disgustingly honest after all.
Warning! If you have a problem with Real People Slash though... you should probably skip this first part of the post.
That said...
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?!??!
OK, I am DONE with shutting up. I KNOW I haven't been in the Tokio Hotel fandom as long as other fans... I KNOW I am older then most. I know! That alone makes me feel that I am not "good enough" as a fan. :-/ And now? Well I feel even more worthless as a fan.
And why, you might ask?
Because instead of being like the majority of the fandom and have a thing for reading about the twins aka reading twincest... and having Bill and Tom Kaulitz as my favorites... I, on the other hand, have a thing for reading fanfic about Georg and Gustav (with each other or one of the twins)... Georg and Gustav are my favorites.
But them G's are apparently not good enough, are they? It is SO often I feel the need the defend myself when I say that Bill is the least of my favorite in the band. It is insane! Yeah, I like him to. Of course I do! I love the entire band! But I have favorites, don't I? Everyone does. But to not put Bill or Tom at the top of the list is apparently Not OK. :-/ And if you don't, you gotta defend yourself. BAH!
Is it a wonder that in the solo-interview that Gustav did, he didn't even think any fans scream for him... Gawd, I just want to give the young man a hug. Dude, you got fans to... even though I do wonder sometimes about what some of the fans says about you and Georg... :-/ I just want to jump to your defense then, but at the same time not start a drama...
And there is the problem of it all, isn't it? Why do I have to DEFEND MYSELF for liking the G's more then the Twins? And why do I have to feel UNCOMFORTABLE saying I like the G's more then the Twins? That is just fucked up. It is THE SAME BAND! There would be no Tokio Hotel without the G's.... OR the Twins... They are a team, those four. A team and friends. Why can't all fans just.... Let everyone like whatever in the fandom, eh?
Gah!
Sorry about rambling. :-P I just had to get that off my chest. If you want to discuss in comments do, but keep it sorta civil, eh?
And here is a photo of them boys that I just rambled about.... just for the hell of it.

(Can click for HQ if you want...)
And now when I am done with that... have some more meme...
Day 01 - Introduce yourself
Day 02 – Your first love
Day 03 – Your parents
Day 04 – What you ate today
Day 05 – Your definition of love
Day 06 – Your day
Day 07 - Your best friend
Day 08 – A moment
Day 09 – Your beliefs
Day 10 – What you wore today
Day 11 – Your siblings
Day 12 – What’s in your bag
Day 13 – This week
Day 14 – What you wore today
Day 15 – Your dreams
Day 16 – Your first kiss
Day 17 – Your favorite memory
Day 18 – Your favorite birthday
Day 19 – Something you regret
Day 20 – This month
Day 21 – Another moment
Day 22 – Something that upsets you
Day 23 – Something that makes you feel better
Day 24 – Something that makes you cry
Day 25 – A first
Day 26 – Your fears
Day 27 – Your favorite place
Day 28 – Something that you miss
Day 29 – Your aspirations
Day 30 – One last moment
Day 18 – Your favorite birthday
Uhu? My favorite birthday? Hmm... I... don't know? I like all my birthdays really. Can't say I have a favorite as such. Every fifth year is a bit extra fun, since then my HUGE extended family come in full force. Meaning there is a party for about 50 people or so... (I really do have a HUGE extended family.) So, yeah. I'd have to say every fifth year is a bit extra fun. :-) Meaning next year, when I turn 35, things will get crazy and fun again with a huge party! :-D

I am disgustingly honest after all.
Warning! If you have a problem with Real People Slash though... you should probably skip this first part of the post.
That said...
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?!??!
OK, I am DONE with shutting up. I KNOW I haven't been in the Tokio Hotel fandom as long as other fans... I KNOW I am older then most. I know! That alone makes me feel that I am not "good enough" as a fan. :-/ And now? Well I feel even more worthless as a fan.
And why, you might ask?
Because instead of being like the majority of the fandom and have a thing for reading about the twins aka reading twincest... and having Bill and Tom Kaulitz as my favorites... I, on the other hand, have a thing for reading fanfic about Georg and Gustav (with each other or one of the twins)... Georg and Gustav are my favorites.
But them G's are apparently not good enough, are they? It is SO often I feel the need the defend myself when I say that Bill is the least of my favorite in the band. It is insane! Yeah, I like him to. Of course I do! I love the entire band! But I have favorites, don't I? Everyone does. But to not put Bill or Tom at the top of the list is apparently Not OK. :-/ And if you don't, you gotta defend yourself. BAH!
Is it a wonder that in the solo-interview that Gustav did, he didn't even think any fans scream for him... Gawd, I just want to give the young man a hug. Dude, you got fans to... even though I do wonder sometimes about what some of the fans says about you and Georg... :-/ I just want to jump to your defense then, but at the same time not start a drama...
And there is the problem of it all, isn't it? Why do I have to DEFEND MYSELF for liking the G's more then the Twins? And why do I have to feel UNCOMFORTABLE saying I like the G's more then the Twins? That is just fucked up. It is THE SAME BAND! There would be no Tokio Hotel without the G's.... OR the Twins... They are a team, those four. A team and friends. Why can't all fans just.... Let everyone like whatever in the fandom, eh?
Gah!
Sorry about rambling. :-P I just had to get that off my chest. If you want to discuss in comments do, but keep it sorta civil, eh?
And here is a photo of them boys that I just rambled about.... just for the hell of it.
(Can click for HQ if you want...)
And now when I am done with that... have some more meme...
Day 18 – Your favorite birthday
Day 19 – Something you regret
Day 20 – This month
Day 21 – Another moment
Day 22 – Something that upsets you
Day 23 – Something that makes you feel better
Day 24 – Something that makes you cry
Day 25 – A first
Day 26 – Your fears
Day 27 – Your favorite place
Day 28 – Something that you miss
Day 29 – Your aspirations
Day 30 – One last moment
Day 18 – Your favorite birthday
Uhu? My favorite birthday? Hmm... I... don't know? I like all my birthdays really. Can't say I have a favorite as such. Every fifth year is a bit extra fun, since then my HUGE extended family come in full force. Meaning there is a party for about 50 people or so... (I really do have a HUGE extended family.) So, yeah. I'd have to say every fifth year is a bit extra fun. :-) Meaning next year, when I turn 35, things will get crazy and fun again with a huge party! :-D
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Date: 2011-10-07 08:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-07 09:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-07 08:28 pm (UTC)As for the pairings... I could write a looong rant about that whole debate. Suffice to say that when you write the Gs, you get practically no comments while, if you wrote the same story with the twins as the main characters, you'd have 50 comments. I get preferring one pairing over another, but it's just sad that so little people seem to appreciate the Gs. Hmph.
Mini-rant over :D
Anyway, I approve of this post. *nods*
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Date: 2011-10-07 09:40 pm (UTC)I don't care either if there are a lot of people that prefer the twins. It's cool. I mean, everyone got favourites after all. But don't talk down about those that ACTUALLY LIKE the G's. :-/ Or any other obscure pairing. Just saying.
I wish there was something one could do to encourage writers to write more G-centric stuff, I really do... :-/
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Date: 2011-10-07 09:44 pm (UTC)Which reminds me that I still have to upload today's GCBC chapter *g*
I wish there was something we could do to encourage people to branch out and write more G-fic. A couple of months ago, I desperately wanted to read some good Tomstav, and it was almost impossible to find on THF, which is just... sad.
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Date: 2011-10-07 10:03 pm (UTC)Ah yes... My ever desperate hunt for good Tomstav. So very rare... I love slashing Tom up with both of them boys. There are a lot of Torg out there, but not much Tomstav. I have quite a bit among my favourites, so that might be a good place to check. At least from what I've found. You wanna know what is even harder to find? Good Tomshido... and good Georg/Tom/Gustav... Good luck finding anything good there. :-/ I have one or two of those in my favourites. :-P
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Date: 2011-10-07 10:16 pm (UTC)And I've never actually read Tomshido but I can imagine it's... interesting ;) I wouldn't be surprised if I'd write it someday, though. It's very intriguing :D I am planning to write a chapter of Gushido (LOL?) for a future Gustav-centric fic, though... *tease tease*
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Date: 2011-10-07 10:32 pm (UTC)And now you are telling me you'll write Gushido to... Girl. I love you. *bends down and kisses feet*
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Date: 2011-10-08 11:37 am (UTC)Ohh, I think I ready that Gushido - is it... what was it called again? Way of the Warrior or something? I read that when I was on vacation and absolutely adored it! :D
And yay! I'm loved! XD *g*
Yeah, that fic will probably be Tomstav overall, but it's a bit of a... slutty Gustav fic, if you will? ;) The guy gets around... *g*
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Date: 2011-10-09 10:27 pm (UTC)And now I have to check one of my prompts to see which one you mean... Yes, I have saved them all to be re-used again...
*reads*
Damn, I don't get which one it is! Dear gawd... My curiosity is DEFINITELY peeked!
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Date: 2011-10-10 01:22 pm (UTC)And, um... I don't remember which prompt the other fic was for; I'd have to look at the list again. I think it was the one with Bushido and Tom in jail? :D
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Date: 2011-10-10 10:24 pm (UTC)MY.
GAWD...
o.O
You took my favourite prompt. The one I REALLY wanted written... but had the least hope of ANYONE taking... And you, who are such a brilliant writer not to mention artist... is writing it... and has a slutty Gustav in there...
Shit girl...
Marry me?
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Date: 2011-10-10 10:32 pm (UTC)Haha. But they're two different fics actually. One Gustav-centric fic, in which Gustav has sex with just about everyone - while his heart only beats for a certain someone that will not be named yet... ;) And the other one is the jail-one, which will probably take a little longer to get completed. But whenever I feel like writing something darker, I'll work on that one, promise :D Hehe.
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Date: 2011-10-10 10:47 pm (UTC)Day = made. Fuck, WEEK = made!!!!And now she not only says she is writing the prison-fic... She is writing TWO fics... Prison-fic + Slutty Gustav....
I'll never live this down...
*melts and dies*
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Date: 2011-10-10 10:52 pm (UTC)And I actually have ANOTHER fic in planning that's also gonna be sort of dark-ish. I haven't decided for the main pairing yet, though. I was gonna make it unrelated twincest but after recent discussions, I've sort of decided not to write the twins again if it's possible to use another pairing instead, so... yeah. Basically I'm torn between Biorg and TWC and only know that there will definitely be Billshido. But... who knows? I might change the pairings completely! XD
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Date: 2011-10-10 11:05 pm (UTC)Man, oh man... I am all excited now... If you ever need any help with writing or anything... Not beta-work obviously, but someone to discuss plot with or anything... You know where I am. :-) I love feeding other peoples muses... It's like roleplaying but not. *lol*
*sits on edge of seat...*
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Date: 2011-10-10 11:08 pm (UTC)Definitely! If I ever need brainstorming help, I'll let you know ;)
Haha <3 Well, I'll finish the HP crossovers first, but when I'm done with them, the first slut!Gustav chapter should be posted pretty soon... :D
Oh!! And I need to update GCBC. *facepalm* Your mere presence always reminds me of that. XD
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Date: 2011-10-11 10:07 am (UTC)So much goodness to look forward to from your wonderful brain! Can't wait!
And then there is the ever awesome GCBC... That fic, my gawd... I love it so. :-D
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Date: 2011-10-11 10:09 am (UTC):D Thank youuu ♥
As for Good Cop Bad Cop, we're currently editing the sequel, so that we can start posting that on Friday ;D
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Date: 2011-10-11 10:28 am (UTC)And sequel! WOHOO! *does happy dance*
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Date: 2011-10-07 09:00 pm (UTC)They're horribly under-appreciated, and right now I've been wanting to hear from them for the last week or so so bad it's not even funny D:
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Date: 2011-10-07 09:44 pm (UTC)They are really, really under-appreciated. And on my f-list I saw that someone had complained that there are to much fic with the G's in it... WHAT THE EVER LIVING FUCK, I say to that!!!! I have to dig, beg and read my way through so much shit to even find any good G's fic... And that person think there is not enough twins... That just is... mindblowingly stupid to me. :-/ I have no idea who it was ,but still... My gawd. Wake up, bitch!
I just wish there was something one could do to encourage people to write more with the G's... I mean, I run two RPG's with a friend of mine, one line with Gustav and Bill.... (where Gustav is the bad boy trying to get on the right track...) and one line with Bushido and... Georg... :-) (Where Bushido teaches Georg some new... things...) So odd pairings? I am SO there... But it is hard to find. It really is. Bah. :-P
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Date: 2011-10-08 01:32 am (UTC)Try google-translating foreign language fics? I was lucky enough to find a few French sites that wrote strictly Tomshido and Billshido, and they're actually very good! Or fanfiktion.de has some good fics, too.(I THINK I spelled that right)
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Date: 2011-10-08 08:04 am (UTC)I haven't thought off google-translating foreign fics, actually... And strictly Tomshido???!!!?!?! o.O Where is this site at? LINK PLX!!!!!
You say there are more out there hiding that want other pairings then twincest... Why are they hiding, I wonder? Is it because how I feel? That you are not "good enough" if you don't like twincest? *ponders*
That is the only problem with this fandom, isn't it? It is so, so focused on the twins. :-/ *sigh* I don't dislike the twins. I like them to! Quite a great deal! Seems to be a common misunderstanding that... if you have the G's as favourites you can't like the twins. *shakes head*
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Date: 2011-10-08 08:40 am (UTC)There are much odder pairings! I've read a Georg/Andreas before >.> but to be totally honest, the Bill/Male Celebrity section always terrifies me. That's where I found Billbama.
But my guilty pleasure is twinshido. That has not a single full story, I think. Just crappy one shots. (Though the first smut of the fandom I ever read was "Bad Influence" by emseviltwin. That was gooooood. ) *hidden fic rec that will NEVER get old*
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Date: 2011-10-08 03:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-09 10:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-09 10:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-10 10:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-09 10:30 pm (UTC)Good idea about Google-translator there. :-D I'll have to try that one one day. ;-) Actually, it has helped me get what the hell Bushido raps about at times... X-D
Oh yes, Bad Influence... I've read that indeed. ;-) I think I have it in my favourites even. *grin*
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Date: 2011-10-07 11:09 pm (UTC)Me. Me. Me.
I feel exactly the same way as you do, and I'm older than you are. I watch these little asshats on TH forums go on and on about the twins and twincest and I just want to slap the living shit out of them. The band is so much more.
The G's are love and again, EVERYTHING you said. <3
Also, is this the same comment you reference that Mel was talking about to? Cause let me at that person, seriously.
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Date: 2011-10-08 07:53 am (UTC)Thing is, I don't mind twincest really. I read it to on occasion, and enjoy it to. But what bothers me so damn much is that it floods the fandom. It's like that is the end all of fanfic in this fandom. Which is not true. There are other pairings, and fans of other pairings as well.
Same thing really with how fans discuss the band. Probably the same kind off little asshats you are referring to. ;-) Twins this twins that. Oh, we haven't seen the twins in a while, where is THE BAND at... Like the G's doesn't count. That pisses me off.
Georg and Gustav is so so much love. No really, they are. And I will not give up speaking about them for as long as I am in this fandom, just saying. :-P
I've shut up about it for a long time, since you know... Teens = drama starts easily. But Tokio Hotel is my fifth fandom. My skin is a mile thick. I've dug my way through idiots in fandoms before.
And why should I shut up? No really. Now I've said my piece and that's that. That comment Mel quoted was just that final drop, you know... :-P
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Date: 2011-10-08 05:00 pm (UTC)I could be the twins's mum. I refuse to consider that I would have had babies earlier than twenty though, so I can comfort myself with thinking I couldn't have spawned the G's. Its a small comfort, but hey, I take what I can get.
I have read twincest, although, I have to be honest, I tend to skip over the sex. I'm all for characterization, plot and dialogue, but I have read some good twincentric stories and enjoyed them. I've even rp-ed some twincest, but I can't do that anymore. It feels wrong to me.
I can't even deal with the people who thing TH is/are just the twins. Yes, they might be the mostly public face of, but without the G's, there would be no band, period. And to be honest, I've never been involved in such a 'young' fandom, ie so many kids. I feel like fucking Yoda.
The G's are love, and as long as there are at least some others that feel that way, I'm okay. Also, never shut up, thick-skinned one - you're my idol. <3
And? Gustav thinking fans aren't yelling for HIM? Oh my God. They ARE. That's why that little clip from Russia, when he and Georg are headed to the car and that girl calls out "Gustav, you're sexy!" just makes me cheer, "Oh hell yeah!"
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Date: 2011-10-09 10:24 pm (UTC)I'll read twincest as well, and do on occasion. Hell, if there is a good plot and it is well-written I'll read anything really. I am THAT easy. ;-) Well, not always. It NEEDS to be well-written, or I'll let the author know (constructive criticism is your friend). Never RPed twincest, I must say... But I do RP the G's regularly... (Gustav/Bill and Bushiod/Georg, even if both are on hiatus while my RP-partner is on a month-long vacation... *sulk*)
Yeah, it does seem like quite a few fans seem to miss the part where ALL FOUR are a part of the band and are JUST AS IMPORTANT!!! Even hubby who is far, FAR from a TH-fan (but listens anyway) just grumbled and said: "Well, without bas and drums the music would be DAMN BORING, yo!" And he got a damn good point, don't he?
Good gawd, yeah... I was so happy to see that to! I was all fistbumping "YES!" because, damn that boy is sexy as hell... *wants to trace fingers over that big tattoo SOOOO badly...*
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Date: 2011-10-07 11:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-08 08:16 am (UTC)But you are right though. One shouldn't feel uncomfortable just because you prefer a pairing above another. Thing is though... In this fandom, you kinda do. And it isn't something someone has said... it is just the overall feel of the fandom that just the twins count... because they are the only ones we see... So just because the G's are better at hiding or whatever, they count less? I don't know... It is just the feeling I get when surfing forums and communities. There is a reason I don't comment much any more. Unless it is fic. Damn, do I comment then! People who write my favourite pairings get to know how much I love them for doing that. *nods*
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Date: 2011-10-08 05:24 am (UTC)That's the one thing that bothered me about Tokio Hotel as a band. They have awesome music, they are hilarious in interviews, they seem to have wonderful personalities, but Georg and Gustav seem to be an afterthought when the band is mentioned in the news, on TV, or even when they take pics with fans ... the fans stand between the twins most of the time. I know they've explained why the G's stay in the background, but it makes me want to hug them too :) I even get a little ticked off when Tom pokes fun at Gustav in interviews.
As for Fanfics ... I do love to read a good Gustav/Georg or a G with a twin. Heck I even like when it's all 4. I hope I don't have to defend myself either, because I like what I like and my mind is made up.
I think I like Georg and Gustav because they seem more approachable ... even though I'll never "approach" them in any way lol. But you know what i mean?
I have a huge headache, my skull feels like it's going to split in two, and I have taken copious amounts of ibuprofen .. if my post doesn't make any sense that's the reason. Gotta love it O_O
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Date: 2011-10-08 08:21 am (UTC)And yeah, it is the afterthought thing that bothers me to. Like they don't count or something. :-/ Damn annoying that. I respect the G's for wanting to stay in the background. They've said themselves they are in it for the music and are happy to leave the rest to the twins... I respect that. I just get annoyed that so many fans can't respect that to. :-(
Hey, no one in their right mind should say no to a good THorgy! X-D *lol* In such fics everyone gets what they want really. ;-)
And I do get what you mean with approachable. They just seem like two laidback guys with a great sense of humour... and they are damn handsome to boot. :-)
You are making sense, so I guess those painkillers were good for you. ;-)
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Date: 2011-10-08 05:30 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-08 08:22 am (UTC)of course!
Date: 2011-10-08 05:06 pm (UTC)Re: of course!
Date: 2011-10-09 10:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-08 07:46 am (UTC)If the 'old' ones backed away, TH would lose half their fan base ;) i don't care how old I am compared to them. Basically it's the music, too that draws me in. Secondly the fiction.
Apart from that, I also feel that it's terribly ignorant to assume there is an understood rang order to who's popular in the band and if you don't agree you're the one to have fingers pointed at. Just because your favourite is one of the twins it doesn't mean there are less interested in the G's. But that's apparently not so.
*hugs*
Maria
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Date: 2011-10-08 08:26 am (UTC)True, I suppose. Us oldies are a part of the fandom as well, any young people just have to accept that I guess. *grins*
I know. You got what I mean just nicely. It goes both ways. If you like the twins, it doesn't mean you dislike the G's. And vice versa.
But sometimes I think there are a few fans that work just like that. :-/ Feeling that the twins is all that counts. And it is those fans that annoy the hell out of me. And there is the news, TV or when there are meet and greets.... whenever Tokio Hotel is mentioned, the G's are just an afterthought. Like the twins is all that counts, all that is important in the band. I claim this to not be true. They are just as important all four of them. They are a team and good friends. There wouldn't be any Tokio Hotel if any of them left the band, no matter who.
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Date: 2011-10-08 11:11 am (UTC)And there are some stories that I know if I'd written them as twins, they would have gotten a lot more reviews. And I don't really care about the reviews. I care about people not seeing the Gs as an important part of the band.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when people/media say, "Tokio Hotel is living in L.A." No. They're not. One half of Tokio Hotel is living in L.A. The other (
better) half is still back in Germany.I've just kind of lost a lot of interest in the twins lately because it seems like they're taking their craziness a little too far. So far that they're not even relateable anymore. But the Gs on the other hand, are just getting hotter and more talented and awesomer. (look at me using all of these non-words lol)
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Date: 2011-10-08 11:52 am (UTC)I care about people not seeing the Gs as an important part of the band. - I've seen that sooo much, especially on Tumblr...
and
The other
(better)half is still back in Germany. - this made me giglge XDand
I've just kind of lost a lot of interest in the twins lately - me too! Especially in writing them. Even a poorly-written twincest fic often gets more comments than a well-written G-centric fic, which is just sad. Let's try to change that! XD
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Date: 2011-10-09 10:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-10-09 10:05 pm (UTC)And man, I agree so so much with what you are saying. Every word. You pretty much have the same pet peeves as I do. :-) Good to hear one is not alone. ;-)
I do like the twins as well, of course. And snicker at their crazy and the fans going all crazy over their crazy while breaking out the popcorn and whiskey...
I just... which that while having fun at the twins it wouldn't mean that the G's is forgotten... you know? I hope I am making at least a little sense. *lol*