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KSena

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This is KSena

Usually a friendly sort. Be nice to me, and I am nice to you. Here I ramble on about me, life, work and fandoms. I am a fan of Robin of Sherwood, Xena: Warrior Princess, Buffy: the Vampire Slayer, Pirates of the Caribbean, Tokio Hotel and Sons of Anarchy. I don't apologize for anything I write here. This is my mind. And you entered it. Welcome.

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Wooo.... Yet another post so shortly after the last one... This will never end well... ;-)

Anyway. But as soon as a fandom goes rampant, I kinda have to post about it. Either because I am amused or because it annoys me. This time? It mostly amuses me. :-) *grabs popcorn*

And before I continue, yes... This will be about Bills tattoo and tattoos in general. You don't like tattoos? That is PERFECTLY fine! You don't like Bills tattoo? That is PERFECTLY fine to. :-) Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

As you who have been around here a while probably know, I have five tattoos myself, planning two more as soon as I can afford them. (When I get enough cash for them which might take a long time yet...) I love tattoos. I think it is really sexy and/or a way to express oneself.

If you don't know what my tattoos look like, you can check this post: Right HERE when my latest was brand new. Might add, I am a librarian. I have a lip-piercing and plenty piercings in my ears to. Have this been a hindrance in getting a job? No. At least not what I have noticed. Strangely, the opposite, since most librarians I have talked to have said there needs to be variety in all lines of work.

I've been to the hospital and had doctors that are traditional muslims with special hijabs, jews with that little kippah and also those with tattoos and piercings. So... Why not a librarian, right?

Currently those tattoos I have are easy to hide. They are on my upper arms and my lower legs and my back. They aren't really visible half the year. Only during spring and summer. The new tattoos though that I plan to make are for my lower arms, so they'll be visible at all times. Yes, I've talked with a few colleagues about it, and I've yet to get more then one negative comment about it (she retired a month ago).

What I am trying to say is, if I had money... I'd be near to covered in tattoos by now. No kidding. I have soooo many ideas for tattoos for my body, you wouldn't believe. All of them with special meaning for me.

And there's the keyword right there. Tattoos with special meaning.

Yeah, I think my tattoos look cool. And I make sure to find tattoo-artists that are really good artists and know what the fuck they are doing. But all, every single one have meaning FOR ME! (Yes, even Uncle Scrooge on my back...)

Now Bill Kaulitz has done a pretty radical tattoo. A hand-tattoo, a glove if you will. It is very radical. Making a small tattoo on my hand, yeah... I'd like that. And probably will in the future. But I am just a regular Joe, so to speak. Having a big hand-tattoo would hurt my career, sadly. Regular ones, no problem.

Bill Kaulitz though don't have that problem. And considering how the fandom wanks like fuck right now, I'd say it more helps him. No matter if fans hate it, or like it... They sure talk about it, don't they?

The tattoo in question:


Copyright to Bill Kaulitz, his tattoo-artist and BTKtwins.Com.

And I do believe there is a meaning behind that tattoo. The motives are very classical. The swallow... the lily... and the bones. No new motives. They've been around for... well, years and years. And looking at Bills old tattoos, there are clearly meanings behind every single one. Even the one he did when he was just a little kid. More then just being a symbol for the band.

Oh, and then there are those fans that are going into rage that Bill is destroying himself! Even commenting saying such things on that App. Dude... Whatever he does, even if he ends up as covered as Nikki Sixx (photo) and Tommy Lee (photo), it is HIS DECISION! And only his.

I know for one that I can get a bit annoyed when people question my tattoos and piercings. And to get it thrown at your face... Yeah. Not cool, you fans. You wanna wank about it? Do so in your journals, in your Tumblrs, on your Twitter. Hell, write fanfic about it to get it out, whatever... But don't write it in the app. For gawds sake. The twins are reaching out a hand (no pun intended) and try to communicate with their fans. Be cool and respect that, yeah? Do not post about how they destroy themselfs and how they surely fuck each other since you are such a hardcore twincester... (Yes, I've seen comments on that subject too on said app. Disgusting.)

Yes, I am ranting, I know. And this post is all over the place.

But in conclusion? I like the tattoo. It look really really nice. No wonder. Los Angeles, USA has some of the best tattoo-artists in the world. I'd sell a leg to get a tattoo from one of them, seriously... The detail-work on Bills tattoo is quite amazing, especially considering it is on the hand. It is NOT easy to get detail like that on a hand. Also, it must have hurt like a motherfucker considering there is not much subcutaneous fat on your hand. The bone is RIGHT under the skin. So you think his hand look fat? Dude... It is probably still swollen... And will most likely be for a while more.

Not a Bill-girl, as you all know. He is not my favorite in the band (least favorite, more like). BUT! I do admire his attitude and his bravery to do whatever the fuck he wants no matter what people tell him. :-)

So, Bill?

ROCK THE FUCK ON, DEAR BOY!

It looks good. :-) And those that just like you for your looks? Well... :-) They'll find another girly boy to look at, I am sure. ;-)

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliephoenix.livejournal.com
i really like all of your tattoos. they are very 'you'. XD

i think the re-done wolf is my fave.

i agree about bill. and personally, i love his new tat. when he said the other day that it was still healing, i thought, 'wtf could you have possibly gotten that would still be healing after 2 weeks?' i was not expecting the whole hand. and yes, that would probably hurt like a bitch and still be swollen.

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Of course they are very me! :-D Every single one has a special meaning for me. ;-) *grin* The wolf was the first one I made, and it wasn't perfectly made, hence it got grey and dull. The re-make/update of it was really, really needed. :-)

I think Bill's hand is still swollen. It is interesting to see so many comments on Tumblr going about how he destroyed his hand and it doesn't look that delicate anymore... The slenderness and delicate feel of his hand will come back, I believe. Once the swelling is gone. :-P Which will most likely take some time yet. :-)

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelyng.livejournal.com
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Those boys won't ever be able to make everyone happy, ever. Why everyone can't be happy that it obviously makes him happy I'll never know.

As far as the app comments go, good grief. I refuse to comment on any thing just due to guilt by association. I just wish people would show a little restraint and think about what they are saying. Once it's out there you can't take it back.

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
This is very true! No matter what they do, especially Bill it seems, wank and rampant ensues. Crazy really. Either that or it is our fandom that is nuts, I don't know which is worse. :-D

Yeah, the app-comments are just.... Well. There are no real good words for how horrible many of them are. I am not commenting either. I just look at the photos and the vids. That's it.

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamkaa.livejournal.com
I can only agree! And I seems to be the only fan around who doesn't care lol. I was like "okay, nice" when I saw it, and then I went back to fangirl over the TH-call instead. Yeah. I'm in it for the music. And I'm pretty tolorant. LoL.

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Ha ha ha! I am mostly amused about how the fandom has reacted, and so I wanted to throw in my two cents. :-) And where's the best place to do that, but in my own LJ, yeah? ;-)

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamkaa.livejournal.com
Yeah, I understod that :) I'm just a little surprised over the lack of reaction from myself LoL

(have a little updat you might like on my own journal, just saying ;) )

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hexenhasel.livejournal.com
I think you've summed up everything that I've been thinking perfectly :)

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Why, thank you. :-) Having tattoos myself that not everyone understands the meaning behind, I can kinda relate some, you know?

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hexenhasel.livejournal.com
Yeah, I relate esp. when people are commenting that Bill (or Tom) are ruining themselves with ink.

When I got my eyebrow piercing, my mother's first comment was "why are you ruining your beautiful face with these piercings?"

Seriously? Ruining? I wasn't perfect in the first place!

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Oh yes, I hear that a lot to. :-) Both about my piercings and my tattoos. And I might not have that many tattoos (yet) but they are pretty big... which my family likes to comment about. Now, I love them dearly, but that annoys me somewhat. My mom has gotten a few tattoos herself (she got her first one when she was past 50) so she doesn't say anything about it, neither does my brother. But my huge extended family likes to comment on it. :-P

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
Well said! Even if it scares me a little to see such a big tattoo on his lovely hand. Bill girl!

The app though... it's somewhere between personal and very public. I am not surprised that people write from their hearts on it, even if it may seem hurtful. I'm pretty sure Tom and Bill are ready to take a bit of such, even if some of the comments stink. And they shouldn't be there.

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Date: 2012-02-08 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
I think it'll look even better when the swelling has gone down more, even all the way. It is quite obvious that the hand is still swollen. I can just imagine what it looked like just the day after he'd done it... Must have been swollen like hell... Good thing he don't play any instruments. ;-)

I have stopped reading the comments on the app (yes, I have it despite not quiet being a twin-girl). I have head-desked so hard there is a mark in my desk, seriously. I do see screenshots on Tumblr on occasion though. And when I saw the comment about twincest I was just... o.O WTH! And went into a rage here in my home. SO disrespectful!!! I am quite convinced the twins knows about twincest and such what the fans write in fanfics about them (they are not idiots after all), but to throw it at their faces like that... No... Just... HELL no...
Edited Date: 2012-02-08 11:07 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-02-10 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
There is one aspect of the TWC-comments that make we wary in another way -- and that's the same way I feel when I read anti-gay comments to Bill. (such as "I know you're not gay! Only idiots say disgusting things like that").

Even if it's nothing near the rosy-romantic fluff of twincest fanfic, or whatever's in the fanfic, such things as incest happen. Often in sibling relationships where the children are extremely left out to each other, where there is too much responsibility to handle oneself because the adult world turned their back, and where the children have been sexualized by adults around them. All these things apply to Bill and Tom.
And when it happens, it is most often an extremely stressful thing, even in cases where both siblings are consenting. I wish that those who write all kinds of hateful comments, anti-gay or anti-twc, imagine for a moment the scenario that Bill is gay, or some kind of incest happened between Bill and Tom at some point. Imagine the shame and fear they feel already -- what will hateful comments do to help them with that shame and fear?

If Bill is not gay and there was never incest, then I'm sure such comments bother them on the same level as het porn comments or hateful comments about the tattoo. But if Bill is gay, and/or incest ever happened between them, those comments could be really hurtful. That's why I disapprove even of pro-twincest comments in places such as the app: they open up for the hate-comments. And I just don't think either are necessary to plaster in the face of the Kaulitz twins.

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Date: 2012-02-11 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Even the IDEA that twincest might be real..... I am sorry, but that just makes me shiver in disgust. Yes, I know. There are few twins that have experimented together, but really? With your own BROTHER? No... Just HELL no. Keep such things in fanfic and keep it there, thank you.

I do believe though that them boys are well aware of what many of their fans write, and play it up for them on stage and during interviews etc. But if it is real? Hell no. I HIGHLY doubt it. Twins are damn close as it is, no need to draw in sex in the mix.

Incest happen. And it is NEVER romantic. NEVER fluffy. AND could NEVER be right. Not in my book. Hell no. Fine if you think so, but me? Fuck no. Stumbled upon a pair of twins who make porn together, and that just... ewww... Fine for them, apparently, but I just got really fucking uncomfortable and disgusted by it.

That doesn't mean though that I'll go throw that in those porn-twins face! I just avoid them. Like the plague. No comments. No nothing.

If it ever came out that the twincest between Bill and Tom would be real? I'd have to take a HUGE fucking step back from the fandom and just... Not be part of it in a looong time, because I'd be so, so disappointed there would be no words for it. They'd definitely lose me as a fan. Easily.

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Date: 2012-02-11 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
Incest happen. And it is NEVER romantic. NEVER fluffy. AND could NEVER be right.

If incest happens and it's shameful and bad and something the ones involved wished had never happened, I am sure that hateful comments don't help the feeling of self-worth along. That was the point I was trying to make...

I fully respect your feeling regarding incest that those involved choose to let happen. And I deeply appreciate your stand to stay away from it, rather than showering it with hateful comments. (I don't appreciate the porn twins either, I feel very sorry for them. Or are they just clever businessmen??).
Edited Date: 2012-02-11 02:22 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-02-12 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
I have to wonder.... And I ask you, since you very clearly is positive to the thought of twincest being real... If there were a set of twins (fraternal twins) that were famous.... and it was a woman and a man looking very much alike (that happens with fraternal twins to)... and they had consensual sex... Would you feel the same way then? In such a relationship, there could be children... And THAT would not end up well, we all know that... That is another reason why closely related people should NOT have sex... apart from all the other wrongs with such a scenario.

I have no wish to shower anyone with hateful comments. What would that serve? Seriously. I am way more mature then that, thank you. Unlike many of the insane girls on that freaking app. As I said, if twincest between Tom and Bill would prove real, I'd just leave. Disgusted, but quietly and sadly, but I would. And that would be the end of that.

It's not hard to find info on them porn twins. They are called Elijah and Milo Peters. I first saw photo shots with them (clothed) and they looked quite comfortable doing that. It wasn't anything worse then Tom and Bill has done. You know? Draped over one another, looking hot for the camera. But then I saw porn shots with them. And even though they acted all cool and comfortable in front of the camera... there was just something in their eyes, you know...? It didn't feel... good. Smart business men or not... I wonder what the real cost for all them money they pull in is....

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Date: 2012-02-12 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
You say that I am clearly positive to the thought of twincest being real. It is not true, quite the opposite. Perhaps the mix of me writing twincest, my love for the twins, and my opinion that it shouldn't automatically be condemned makes it come across that way. I'm glad you asked, now I can try to explain my point.

In fanfic I can explore the dynamic I see between them (that exists regardless of twincest or not), and add a sexual relationship that complicates things, and adds spice (since I like drama, and slash). But what happens in fiction is fiction, and what I approve of there isn’t something I automatically approve of in real life. This is a fact I think applies to most readers of fiction (and I think you agree).

I'm not negative in the sense that if it became known Bill and Tom had had any kind of incest relationship (from non-consentual to highly consentual), I would leave fandom or blame them for it. But I wouldn't be positive. I would become extremely worried for them. I would have a thousand questions, and the most pressing ones would be – were any one of them against that incest relationship, but couldn’t get out? Did any one of them suffer? Did/do they both suffer? The next set of questions would regard them both: How are they? I wouldn’t wish the sadness and pain (from personal to societal) of an incest relationship on anyone. And I would wonder about the adults around them, what responsibility they have, etc., etc. And if it became known that any one of the twins had sexually or psychologically abused the other, I would be devastated (I still hope that I wouldn’t turn my back on them as persons; it would be a tragedy with two victims, and in that situation people need support by people who are able to say; “I disapprove your actions, but I support you as a person, and I will support your attempts to break that behavior.” I don’t know if I could, but I hope so).

There is also the question of consent. I have the opinion that if incest between adult siblings is 100 % consensual then there is no victim. Then it’s hard to automatically judge two adults (nota bene: adults) who interact sexually -- if there is absolutely no victim. If Bill and Tom agree 100 % to have sex, up to them. If an adult (nota bene: adult) sister and brother dyad agree 100 % to have sex, up to them.

But in an incest relationships the risk of abuse ( = victim) is so much bigger than in other kinds of relationships and the chance of mutual consent is so much lower. In the case where a sister and brother would have children, then both of them are perpetrators and the child is the victim, and a realtionship with a victim is totally unacceptable in my book. Even in a case where adult (note bene: adult) siblings would say that they are 100 % okay with it, I would always suspect that there is at least a 1 % lie. The "porn twins" are such an example, where both you and I have seen something in their eyes that tell us that their relationship is not healthy, and that there is probably not what can be called 100 % consent in their case (that is: they are both victims, in my way of reasoning).

Between child and parent, there can never be consent, and between child siblings there can never be consent. Children are not mentally and physically developed to make such a decision. And I find it hard to believe that it would be 100 % consent between adult siblings.

All these things taken together make it impossible for me to find the thought of (tw)incest real a positive one.
Edited Date: 2012-02-12 08:04 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-02-19 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Well, I did get the impression that you thought twincest was real. :-) I am very glad I was mistaken.

I will however always always see it as something wrong. IF it happens between siblings of any kind in RL, they need help, consent or not. Because having sexual feelings for your sibling, is not normal... not OK. NO MATTER the circumstances. I did read about it somewhere (don't remember where now, of course... have tried to find it, I swear) about a psychologist who wrote about this mental disorder, a doctoral thesis even.

Incest of any kind is not right and very wrong, as I see.

Sadly, there are many, many fans who can't separate fanfic from reality. And that... makes me shudder in horror, quite frankly.

Fanfic is one thing. Reality a whole other story. And some fans... needs to learn that.

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Date: 2012-02-19 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
Incest is an extremely pressing issue; it's more prevalent than what was assumed earlier; numbers are alarming, a prevalence of 10-20 % which is very, very high. To avoid misunderstandings and misconceptions that will not benefit anyone, I want to make clear that incest is not a mental disorder defined by any acclaimed diagnostic manual (DSM-IV, ICD 10).

There is a mental disorder called Pedophilic Disorder which could be assigned to the perpetrator if they fulfil this defintition: "a person 16 years of age or older meets the definition if they have a persistent or predominant sexual preference for prepubescent children at least five years younger than them". The diagnosis includes a specifyer for incest, if the the sexual preference is only incestous and not directed towards children outside the family.

To call "incest" a mental disorder leads the thoughts to the victim also having some kind of disturbance, and that is highly unfortunate. I would like to have a reference to the thesis you mention if you find it.

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Date: 2012-02-23 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
I didn't say I thought they were a mental disorder. ;-) I said the papers was written like that. I have tried to find it again, but I failed. Dammit. Hence the slow response. :-P

I think we are not quite on the same page on incest, BUT! We are not as far apart as one might first have thought. :-) I am not blaming those that do it. I say they need help. A LOT of help. No matter consent or not. And I got a feeling you don't quite agree with that.

ANYWAY! I wanna thank you for this discussion. :-) It has been interesting, eye-opening AND held in a very polite manner. :-) So thank you for that. I love discussions like this! :-D

And it is IS totally fine to agree do disagree. ;-) One can still be friends, you know? *smile*

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Date: 2012-02-24 09:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinie.livejournal.com
And it is IS totally fine to agree do disagree. ;-) One can still be friends, you know? *smile*

I totally agree! <3

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vanillalatte88.livejournal.com
I didn't see the post about twincest but I did post on the app, "Bill, tell everyone who doesn't like your new tattoo to suck it!" ;)

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Date: 2012-02-08 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Now THAT'S a comment I can stand behind! :-D No matter how you feel about it, it is still HIS hand and HIS tattoo. ;-) So those complaining in the app about it? They can just go fuck themselves, indeed!

Well, the comment on the twincest from the app I saw a screenshot of a while ago on Tumblr, and I head-desked so hard I think I left a mark on my desk. :-P Soooo disrespectful, there are no words.
Edited Date: 2012-02-08 11:46 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-02-09 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vanillalatte88.livejournal.com
And I have 3 tattoos myself and 7 piercings. Love them and will more than likely get more! Yours are very cool. That wolf is awesome!

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Date: 2012-02-10 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Why, thank you! :-D I do so very much love all my tattoos. :-) I really do. And I do try to give them as much love and care as I can. I sometimes feel like my band around my arm might need some attention as well, just as my wolf. Even if it is not half as grey... I think I'll go talk to an tattoo-artist about it one of these days. Tattoos are for life. Meaning, you have to take care of them for life to. ;-)

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Date: 2012-02-09 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rule-number-7.livejournal.com
I'm feeling 'meh' about the tattoo. Like I can't bring myself to even care :( Don't know why. Maybe I'll feel something later.

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Date: 2012-02-09 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamkaa.livejournal.com
You are not alone! Do like me, fangirl over the th-call instead, much more fun ;-)

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Date: 2012-02-09 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Well, everyone feel differently about it, and that is perfectly cool. :-) I just could relate a little, you know? Since I've been criticized for my tattoos and piercings to. *nods* His choice though, and I do admire that part with him. That he does whatever the fuck he wants. :-)

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Date: 2012-02-09 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rule-number-7.livejournal.com
That's not it. I mean I don't feel anything. I agree with the whole 'his body his choice' thing but no excitement over finally getting to see it, not even whether I like the design or not. It's weird. Idk maybe it's because I'm not feeling the Bill love right now.

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Date: 2012-02-10 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Ah... :-) I see. Well, Bill is not my favorite either. And hey... I am mostly amused by the reactions from the fandom, actually. ;-)

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Date: 2012-02-09 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zeph317toho.livejournal.com
Brava! Very well said! :D I think you summed up pretty much how I feel. And even if it's not to my taste, it doesn't matter because it means something to him. His body, his rules. I was always taught if I can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. I would never post 95 percent of the comments I read on the app. It breaks my heart that Bill, Tom or the admin have to wade through that stuff.

Also, your tattoos are really cool! :D

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Date: 2012-02-09 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Why, thank you. :-) I felt I could at least relate a little. I think most people who has tattoos of their own can. It is OK to give criticism or ask questions. That is cool. But some of these girls need to know how the hell to phrase it. Because right now it just seems rude. It got old quick to see Tumblr posts and tweets and what not about how Bill has DESTROYED himself, oh NOES! Teen-girls --> whine, sob, emo. *shakes head* Grow up, is all I wanna say to them. :-P

Comments on the app are quite horrible 99% of the time. Hence why I don't read them. :-P

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Date: 2012-02-09 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dylansbuzz.livejournal.com
Well, babe, I have my own opinions on tats, which sadly has become more negative in the last year. Not because of Bill or any other public figure, even but more because of what I see in real life. People with really badly done, huge, or just plain fugly tats. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and to these people, there must be beauty to it, but I can't see it. They will eventually sag - hell, some of them are sagging already! and it will all go to shit. I just ...
well, I have more reasons, but I'm not gonna go into them. I just have developed a more anti-tat attitude lately than I had once.

A hand-tat like what Bill has would be basically a death wish ( or a non-employment wish) in a regular job, but that will probably never be his fate (hope not, anyway! Can you see Bill in an office? *dies asI imagine him un-jamming a copier) But Bill is Bill, no matter what I think of it, and he should do what he wants. If it has the meaning it appears to, I can see why its dear to him.

So rock on, Bill, and fuck what others think as long as you're happy. You're not hurting a soul and you're happy, so go you. :)

And those fucking COMMENTS ON THE APP. I would not buy that app if I could - the comments would give me an aneursym, so in this case, my ignorance IS my bliss. Those people come off as ... ugh, no words.

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Date: 2012-02-09 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
My mom got her first tattoo when she was... 45, I think? Long time ago, since today she is 58. :-D No sagging going on around the tattoos at least (she has them on her shoulder/back and on her feet), and she still gets tattoos now and then. Small ones, and mostly Disney-characters and summer-animals. She has a thing. ;-) We've even gone to get ink together, which was REALLY fun! :-D (Considering she had the image she wanted on an old sheet and asked the heavily tattooed and good looking young tattoo-artist to come try out the sheet with her... My mom is nuts... X-D ) There is one tattoo that she wanted when she was young though, that she has yet to get... A black rose on her boob. :-) She has now seen the very nice ink-work of my latest artist, and actually might take the plunge to do even that one! :-D I claim my mom rocks. *nods*

But then again, it is totally cool to not like tattoos! I mean, it is up to everyone to like them or not. Me? I LOVE THEM! And as I said, if I had the money, I would cover myself, dammit... and travel to the tattoo-artists that I know are top of the notch. Now though, I am this side of to poor for that, so... Eh. :-P And if mine sag? Well... *shrug* Tattoos are living art, so... it is just another step, and I will always, always make touchups when needed. :-) Tattoos are for life, meaning you have to take care of them for life to. ;-)

Tattoos like Bill's hand-tattoo are DEFINITELY a career-killer for a regular Joe. Most definitely. I am well aware of that. I wouldn't get one as big, because it wouldn't work. A small one on my hand? Sure! That would not be a problem. But a big one? Nope. But Bill is not a regular Joe, and will most likely never be. :-)

Agreed, he is not hurting a soul, and he is clearly happy with the body-mods he is doing. So rock on, indeed!

The comments on the app is... really something else, yes. I stopped reading them after having the app a day. X-/ It is... so disrespectful, yeah. No words.

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Date: 2012-02-09 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruchirahni.livejournal.com
But everyone knows that celebrities are public property and their bodies aren't really theirs!! :P It's the FAN'S decisions to make!

P.S Have I told you enough how much I Love the Xena tattoo???









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Date: 2012-02-10 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Ha ha ha! X-D Yes, I think you've told me just a couple of times how much you love my Xena-tattoo... ;-) I do love it as well! :-D Hence why I have it. *grin* Means a lot to me, it does. :-)

And yes... The Tokio Hotel fans that LOOOOOVE Bill Kaulitz and Tom Kaulitz.... Well, most of them (usually the younger ones) can be a bit... crazy, shall we say? As soon as them twins change their hair, clothing, get piercings, or get tattoos... It's just like all hell broke loss. And me? I am sitting by the side-lines eating popcorn. *lol*

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Date: 2012-02-09 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astroflammante.livejournal.com
That tattoo is great! I'm usually not a fan of tattoos on hands and faces, but this one looks very nice.

(And now I've got serious tattoo-lust... I need another dragon to get a matched set... and a couple bats somewhere, I think. *grins*)

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Date: 2012-02-10 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kseenaa.livejournal.com
Oh yes, I think so to. Even if I would never get such a thing, but I still think it rocks. Especially since he has stuck to such classical motives, you know? :-)

I get a tattoo-craving every other or every third year... It's been three years since the last one... *sigh* I have a serious need right now. :-P That Bill Kaulitz sure ain't helping that craving!
Edited Date: 2012-02-10 01:02 am (UTC)

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